Nhaler Lung Juice debate

[AllAboutTheVapor]

I have reviews of this juice line up, but what does everyone think of the idea. If those herbs are really in it, then
I think it is a great innovation and I think everyone needs to try them.

Some people would say it holistic BS though.

What do you guys think?

[ECCO]

Even working with pure compounds, it would be hard to turn vaping into anything 'productive' like a medicine. And we aren't talking pure compounds here, we're talking herbal extracts. I can't even think of any herbal extracts or tinctures that would do anything at the levels we're talking about; alcohol extracts potentially could, but then they would get diluted to shit when mixing with the carrier material (PG/VG). Not to mention there's a reason why most traditional medicines aren't introduced through the lungs (there's more involved than just getting something into the bloodstream faster).

I wouldn't call it holistic BS, more like wishful thinking. The difference to me would be intent; a lot of people want to believe something like this will do something, and I don't think the folks at PS would do something like that just to pull a fast one. I don't believe it does anything like what it's claimed to do, but if it tastes good, that's all that matters.

[crashtestjeep]

If ur speaking of Lung renewal juice from Nhaler, then yes, Im a believer. I was diagnosed with multiple scattered noncalcified pulmonary nodules - 15 to e exact, ranging in size from 5-7mm each. Ive been using lung juice for abt 6 months, since third follow up scan...and my last scan a few weeks ago showed two of my biggest nodules had shrunk 3mm....I cant say it was for sure the lung juice, but it was the only thing different I had tried bwn scans.

So, for me....Im a believer that something in there is helping. Drew tinctures the herbs himself, to obtain the extract and is highly skilled at what he does.....However, what works for me, may or may not work for others...I have another scan in abt 5 months and Ill be interested to see those results. When my nodules were found, I had 10, second scan I had 13, third I had 15....vaping all the while btwn scans 2 and three. fourth scan showed no new nodules, and two had shrunk

Ive also seen threads on other forums where people with COPD had dramatic improvements using the lung renewal juice..thats what made me try it.

[tanisloray]

The only thing I have to say, is because of the high temperatures of vapor, the protein structure may still be intact or not. If the chemicals denature at the temperatures we vape at, they won't have any effect. I'm not sure what the temperatures that these herbs denature/decompose at or if other chemical reactions will happen while they are being heated up.

That being said, in a perfect example, they DON'T denature/decompose and the healing agents are lifted in with the vapor and they are inhaled. At this point I don't see a need for the chemicals to get into the blood faster, because the lungs would be bathed in these helpful herbs. Just like while we are inhaling PG vapor, our lungs are basically bathed in germicide.

In the case of crashtestjeep, if the lung juice is helping with her nodules, it would be most likely through exposure of the lung juice vapor in her lungs and bloodstream absorbtion. So like an all around effect.

All in all....we inhale the vapor to get our nicotine hit. Research could be done on this subject to show whether or not it works or not. But as it was said before, a lot of getting better is believing something is working, which is why placebos do have an effect, even though it isn't as significant as the real thing.

[crashtestjeep]

Exactly my thoughts....But the heat wont kill the herbs...otherwise hot teas would have no effect either...herbs can hold up to a pretty good amount of heat before they destroy...heck, some herbs even are better when set on fire

[Doctor Vapor]

I’ve had a small amount of training in herbal medicine, only 2 years so not that much. However, there is subjective evidence that the herbs used in NHaler’s Lung Juice can be beneficial to lung health. That being said, I have the same concerns that Tannis has about the changes in the molecular structure of herbs when heated. Also, there is no evidence, subjective or otherwise, that I know of concerning the inhalation of these herbs.

I’m very happy to hear that CrashTestJeep’s lungs are improving. Let’s hope that continues to happen. But this should in no way be considered evidence that the lung juice is partially responsible even in an anecdotal sense. Trials and real research would need to be done to lend any credence to that theory.

However, keep using the lung juice Crash. It may be helping, it may not be helping, but it’s not going to hurt you in any way. If your lungs are improving, keep doing what you’re doing.

I also want to commend Drew over at NHaler for two things. First, coming up with the concept of Lung Juice. At least you’re doing something that may have potential benefits. Second, for saying “….by vaping herbs that have been said to nourish the lungs…..”and that; “Lung Juice is NOT intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any diseases.” By using this wording, you have avoided making medical claims about your product. Kudos.

[VAPEAHOLIC]

If heat kills hrebs !! I'm wasting about 40$ a week !!! And trust me my herbs are just fine LOL

[AllAboutTheVapor]

I’ve had a small amount of training in herbal medicine, only 2 years so not that much. However, there is subjective evidence that the herbs used in NHaler’s Lung Juice can be beneficial to lung health. That being said, I have the same concerns that Tannis has about the changes in the molecular structure of herbs when heated. Also, there is no evidence, subjective or otherwise, that I know of concerning the inhalation of these herbs.

I’m very happy to hear that CrashTestJeep’s lungs are improving. Let’s hope that continues to happen. But this should in no way be considered evidence that the lung juice is partially responsible even in an anecdotal sense. Trials and real research would need to be done to lend any credence to that theory.

However, keep using the lung juice Crash. It may be helping, it may not be helping, but it’s not going to hurt you in any way. If your lungs are improving, keep doing what you’re doing.

I also want to commend Drew over at NHaler for two things. First, coming up with the concept of Lung Juice. At least you’re doing something that may have potential benefits. Second, for saying “….by vaping herbs that have been said to nourish the lungs…..”and that; “Lung Juice is NOT intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any diseases.” By using this wording, you have avoided making medical claims about your product. Kudos.

EXCELLENT POST. MY feelings exactly.

Tanis is right though, without knowing the exact temperature of not only the PV, but at what temp the different helpful compounds change structure, we can't tell if vaping hurts the herbs or not.

I hate VapersForum by the way. Go check out my post there, it turned into an 11 page flame-a-thon. what a bunch of dicks.

[crashtestjeep]

if heat kills hrebs !! I'm wasting about 40$ a week !!! And trust me my herbs are just fine lol

[sessiz]

EXCELLENT POST. MY feelings exactly.

Tanis is right though, without knowing the exact temperature of not only the PV, but at what temp the different helpful compounds change structure, we can't tell if vaping hurts the herbs or not.

I hate VapersForum by the way. Go check out my post there, it turned into an 11 page flame-a-thon. what a bunch of dicks.

Dicks?
They were trying to give you some constructive criticism.

http://vapersforum.com/showthread.ph...453#post214453

You need help.